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0023045Return of ReckoningAbilitiespublic2024-07-30 20:58
Reporterrerrqq Assigned To 
PrioritynormalSeveritymajorReproducibilityalways
Status newResolutionopen 
Summary0023045: AM/Shaman party resist buff not working if 100ft away
DescriptionParty resist buff from AM and Shaman (Prismatic Shield and Mork`s Buffer) Party members dont get resists if they stay more than 100ft away from AM/Shaman while having buff on them. So the buff works just like kobs\chosen aura in 100ft range, but unlike auras this buff is enchantment and can be shattered. Zealot and Rune Priest resist buff works normaly outside 100ft range.
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rerrqq

rerrqq

2024-07-22 22:14

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Omegus

Omegus

2024-07-24 18:37

reporter   ~0043925

Comparing to RP/Zea makes no sense as the RP/Zea specifically target someone and give them a buff. The AM/Sha resistance buffs are something the player casts on themselves which also affects group members within range. A better comparison would be with WP prayers / DoK covenants (I have no idea if prays/covenants also stop working if the group member is more than 100ft away).
R1CH

R1CH

2024-07-25 15:54

reporter   ~0043927

It should behave exactly like the RP / Zealot buffs after it's applied, i.e. working at any range and being shatterable. How the buff is applied isn't really relevant for this bug.
Omegus

Omegus

2024-07-25 19:04

reporter   ~0043929

"How the buff is applied isn't really relevant for this bug."

It is. The issue is whether the intent of the ability is to function as a self-buff enchantment that works as PBAoE aura, or to function as a PBAoE ability that applies an enchantment to everyone in range at the time it is cast. There is no ambiguity with the Zealot/RP buffs as they are single-target buffs.

One of the advantages of having it work as an aura is that the buff would automatically be applied to new people joining the group without the Shaman/AM needing to keep recasting the buff. A disadvantage is the range issue as mentioned above as 100ft seems short when healers typically operate at a range up to 150ft.

I am not advocating for or against it working like a PBAoE ability rather than a PBAoE aura. I am just saying that there are abilities in the game with similar wording and some work as auras and some do not, and often it's impossible to determine which is "correct" due to how inconsistent Mythic was with the ability descriptions on their tooltips.
R1CH

R1CH

2024-07-25 19:14

reporter   ~0043930

Auras are implemented as buffs and cannot be shattered, this is an Enchantment and can be shattered. I don't think there was ever an intent that this is supposed to act like an aura, same as sorc / BW buffs that also have the 100ft language in their tooltip, it's just the radius in which the ability is applied. It would be interesting to test if sorc / BW are similarly affected though.
Omegus

Omegus

2024-07-25 19:30

reporter   ~0043931

Sorc's dual buffs both apply blessings/enchantments (I forget which) to each person in the group.

The other aura style abilities like Chosen auras, DoK Covenants, etc, are implemented as buff effects because those abilities are toggles and to my knowledge you cannot shatter/sever something to turn off the toggle.
R1CH

R1CH

2024-07-26 00:45

reporter   ~0043932

I confirmed the AM buff bug, all resists fall off when the AM is out of range. Dying doesn't cause a problem. I tested a similar type of group buff affecting resists (Engi Burn Salve) and it had no problems.
rerrqq

rerrqq

2024-07-30 20:57

reporter   ~0043958

I compared RP\Zeal buffs if resists working the same, and since engi party buff works fine then its only AM/Sham have problem. Right now resist buff literaly useless, since its already weaker for wb than kobs/chosen and its can be shattered.
rerrqq

rerrqq

2024-07-30 20:58

reporter   ~0043959

Oh and covenants cant be shattered, yes

Issue History

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2024-07-22 22:14 rerrqq New Issue
2024-07-22 22:14 rerrqq File Added: in range.jpg
2024-07-22 22:14 rerrqq File Added: outside range.jpg
2024-07-24 18:37 Omegus Note Added: 0043925
2024-07-25 15:54 R1CH Note Added: 0043927
2024-07-25 19:04 Omegus Note Added: 0043929
2024-07-25 19:14 R1CH Note Added: 0043930
2024-07-25 19:30 Omegus Note Added: 0043931
2024-07-26 00:45 R1CH Note Added: 0043932
2024-07-30 20:57 rerrqq Note Added: 0043958
2024-07-30 20:58 rerrqq Note Added: 0043959