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IDProjectCategoryView StatusDate SubmittedLast Update
0023110Return of ReckoningAbilitiespublic2024-08-12 20:162024-08-23 12:31
ReporterOmegus Assigned To 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
Status newResolutionopen 
Summary0023110: Napalm Grenade and Dissolving Mist are direct damage as of the ability rework and proc DD effects
DescriptionIn 1.4.8, even though it was not stated on the tooltip Napalm Grenade and Dissolving Mist (NG/DM) were direct damage abilities according to Dalen's ability viewer. On RoR they were changed to be either DoTs or proc damage to prevent then from being able to proc things that trigger on direct damage.

It seems as part of the ability system rework their direct damage status was copied over from the 1.4.8 database so now the abilities can proc direct damage effects again. This has been tested and confirmed on the test server where DM is able to proc Covenant of Celerity reliably.

From a balance point of view, the main reason effects like NG/DM are not treated as direct damage is to prevent people from being able to double up on procs. NG/DM only uses one GCD but gives you 30 seconds of proc chances, allowing the Engi/Magus to then trigger even more procs at the same time by using regular DD abilities over the people in the NG/DM radius. This is part of what made Inevitable Doom so strong as even though it pulsed damage outside of the GCD, for some reason Mythic made it direct damage allowing it to proc everything and letting the Slayer double up on proc chances.

NG/DM being made direct damage has not been mentioned in the patch notes so I am presuming this is a bug rather than being intended, i.e. a ROR change that accidentally was not ported over to the 1.4.8 database before the ability system went live.
Steps To ReproduceMagus and DoK in same group. DoK casts Covenant of Celerity on the group, Magus then uses Dissolving Mist on enemies. Check the enemy debuffs and you will see Covenant of Celerity on the enemy caused by mist. Screenshot of this test on the test server is attached to this ticket.
TagsAbility, Ability Test - PTS, Engineer, Magus

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Omegus

Omegus

2024-08-12 20:16

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R1CH

R1CH

2024-08-12 22:22

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For reference - a good amount of discussion on Discord starting here: https://discord.com/channels/329292495336767488/1170781908322496563/1272649931408277526
R1CH

R1CH

2024-08-23 12:10

reporter   ~0044103

This has changed to no longer proc at all in the recent patch, either this was stealth fixed without any notes about class balance in the changelog or the patch is bugged. This removes yet another build from the engi as a support build relies on Napalm procs to provide debuffs for the team.
R1CH

R1CH

2024-08-23 12:24

reporter   ~0044104

I did some more testing and it actually DOES still proc, just at a greatly reduced rate from what is expected. After 4 napalms on 4 training dummies, I finally got 1 proc out of 0000062:0000240 damage instances.
R1CH

R1CH

2024-08-23 12:31

reporter   ~0044105

Apparently this might be the result of a hotfix and is affecting all procs, see discussion on Discord: https://discord.com/channels/329292495336767488/1170781908322496563/1276518726933413899

So nothing specific about Mist / Napalm, you can ignore my ramblings :).

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2024-08-12 20:16 Omegus New Issue
2024-08-12 20:16 Omegus Tag Attached: Ability
2024-08-12 20:16 Omegus Tag Attached: Ability Test - PTS
2024-08-12 20:16 Omegus Tag Attached: Engineer
2024-08-12 20:16 Omegus Tag Attached: Magus
2024-08-12 20:16 Omegus File Added: Capture.PNG
2024-08-12 22:22 R1CH Note Added: 0044019
2024-08-23 12:10 R1CH Note Added: 0044103
2024-08-23 12:24 R1CH Note Added: 0044104
2024-08-23 12:31 R1CH Note Added: 0044105